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Welcome back to Therapy Chat! In today’s episode, host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C interviews grief counselor, author and speaker Isabel Stenzel Byrnes, LCSW, MPH about death and grief. Isabel shares her unique perspective on grief as someone who has survived a lifetime of living with a terminal chronic illness, and the loss of many important people in her life. This episode raises thought-provoking questions about acceptance, our cultural view of death in the West, and how we handle unpleasant emotions. 

Isabel is a licensed clinical social worker and bereavement counselor at Mission Hospice & Home Care, where she counsels children, teens and adults who have lost a loved one. She also leads writing through loss groups for those who are grieving, among other support groups. Isabel has experienced significant losses of her own and has lived with serious illness all of her life.  

As an author, documentarian, patient advocate and public speaker, Isabel has lectured around the country on topics such as living well with illness, grief and loss, end-of-life issues and organ donation, including a TEDx Stanford talk in 2014. 


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Mission Hospice website: 

Watch Isabel’s TEDx talk, “The Art of Saying Goodbye” here:  

Dr. Katherine Shear’s Center for Complicated Grief at Columbia University: 

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March 7, 2019

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Laura Reagan, LCSW-C

Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is an integrative trauma therapist and owner of a group practice, the Baltimore Annapolis Center for Integrative Healing. She is also the host of Therapy Chat and Trauma Chat podcasts and the founder of the Trauma Therapist Network, a website for learning information about trauma and finding resources and help for trauma.

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