In this week’s episode my guests are Dr. Ann Kelley and Sue Marriott, LCSW, hosts of Therapist Uncensored podcast and authors of the upcoming book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own In An Insecure World. They discuss the importance of spreading secure relating and changing society through understanding attachment. They describe how their book challenges traditional views of attachment and proposes a spectrum of attachment patterns. We had a great conversation that I know you’ll find interesting! Ann Kelley, PhD, (she/her) is a licensed psychologist in private practice, specializing in couples therapy from an integrative, attachment-based, relational framework. Sue Marriott , LCSW, CGP (she/her) has been running a private practice for over 25 years, seeing individuals and couples and leading multiple long-term psychotherapy groups.

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Find Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in An Insecure World on Amazon here

Listen to Therapist Uncensored here. Learn about Ann & Sue’s conference here.

Register for: Resilience Informed Therapy – An Integrative Somatic Approach to Trauma Recovery and get 12 CE’s while learning from one of my favorite teachers, Dr. Arielle Schwartz! 

Another of my favorite teachers, Dr. Janina Fisher, is opening enrollment to her next cohort of TIST trainees. The next cohort starts April 18th, you won’t want to miss this opportunity to learn this helpful model. Receive 22.5 CE’s while de-mystifying therapy when complex trauma and dissociation arise! Get all the details and register here

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March 29, 2024

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Laura Reagan, LCSW-C

Laura Reagan, LCSW-C is an integrative trauma therapist and owner of a group practice, the Baltimore Annapolis Center for Integrative Healing. She is also the host of Therapy Chat and Trauma Chat podcasts and the founder of the Trauma Therapist Network, a website for learning information about trauma and finding resources and help for trauma.

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